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Post by nubaka on Apr 20, 2009 14:19:37 GMT -5
lol I hear you, yes even the Bible speaks of it in Genesis as the land of Gold.
11. The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12. And the gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there.
13. And the name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.
Here it speaks of the river Nile flowing through the land of Nubia, and Ethiopia.
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Post by Nubian Zuri* on Apr 21, 2009 8:23:16 GMT -5
That was a great Biblical reference to backs up the history of Nubia.
Also there is evidence of glyph's of ancient Egyptian (kemet) which pictorial symbols "The Land of Gold". A land of monumental treasures. Nubians had to be strong, because many wanted to control Nubia. They were rich in Iron,
Amazingly, Nobles of Kush dressed like Egyptians. Many of their leaders turned out to be Queens not Kings.
They worshipped the same gods as Egyptians, except they also worshipped the 3-headed Lion God. They reined in what is known as the Iron Age.
I'm wonder why the double name?
We call it Nubia / Kush, The ancestors thought of themselves as Nubian.
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Post by nubaka on Apr 21, 2009 10:27:34 GMT -5
I got this from A site that was speaking a little on this subject. If I can get this brother over here I will because he is very deep I'll post it in parts. Greggriffin111 “It only takes a minute ... ” Joined: Apr 14, 2008 Comments: 2354 Butare , RW / Wadi Halfa , SN ISP: Allen, TX Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#1147 15 hrs ago Garrig wrote: <quoted text> Garrig Garrig , your a fraud , shut up , your not even worthy enough in my eyes , for me or any other knowledgeable person on this thread to waste any significant amount of their time debating a science you logically can't get your mind across or simply understand , the Ancient Egyptian population was populated by people moving east from the Central / Southern Sahara , north from the upper Sudanic or Nilotic regions , and west from Northeast Africa , Fact , with limited geneflow from the Levant and the Maghreb , the Ancient Egyptian population as a whole were more related to more Tropical populations , genetically , physically , linguistically , culturally ,and historically ... therefor clearly underlining Egypt as an extension of Northeast or Sudanic Africa , quite distinct from regions West of it's borders such as the Maghreb , or east , Levant , both Lower and Upper Egyptian populations cluster together if grouped with other populations ,in general the Egyptian samples group genetically closer to " Nubian " samples then they do with any other population , the Kerma and Central/Upper Egyptian populations have been described , as extinguishable , when grouped side by side , on hair , the ancient Egyptian hair samples would have been diverse in range , equivalent if not identical to that of modern day Saharan's , Sudanics , or Northeast Africans , wholly hair was NOT rare in the Nile Valley , pictures of mummies shouldn't be your main reason for posting bull shit theories , as in the process of mummification and an extended time in a closed hot arid climate , Seti I and Ramses I are great examples , both of their mummies show mixed heritage , with a greater African balance , and tropically adapted bodies ... www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/da... static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/... No , according to their paintings , they depicted themselves in the same color as they did Nubians , Northeast Africans ( Land of Punt ), and Saharans ( Wawat ), yellow , reddish brown , dark brown , black etc , they depicted Northern Berbers mush differently , " pale " skin with obvious Berber tribal identification , hate or not the Egyptians were a Tropically derived peoples ...=( " Saharan-Sudanic inheritance of Nile Valley settlers. Data on the peopling of the Nile Valley do not appear to support earlier historical notions of an initial wave of Caucasoid invaders entering from the North in order to introduce civilization. Mainstream data shows gradual movement and peopling from the south- the Saharan zone and associated parts of the Sudanic region, fusing with indigenous Nilotic elements already in place, leading into the development of the well-known Egyptian kingdoms, not sweeping insertions from the Mediterranean, Mesopotamia or elsewhere.(AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 83:35-48 (1990)" " "Recent work on skeletons and DNA suggests that the people who settled in the Nile valley, like all of humankind, came from somewhere south of the Sahara; they were not (as some nineteenth-century scholars had supposed) invaders from the North. See Bruce G. Trigger, "The Rise of Civilization in Egypt," Cambridge History of Africa (Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 1982), vol I, pp 489-90; S. O. Y. Keita, "Studies and Comments on Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships," History in Africa 20 (1993) 129-54." |
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Post by nubaka on Apr 21, 2009 10:30:04 GMT -5
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"Elements from both the Sahara and associated Sudanic regions appear to have been involved in the peopling Egypt according to a number of mainstream references. The Khartoum Culture and other zones of the Sudan for example show significant influence as indicated by pottery, jewelry, tools and implements, raw materials such as certain types of stone, and artistic designs."
"Recent DNA studies of the Sudan show genetic unity and linkage between the Sudanic, Horn, Egyptian, Nubian and other Nilotic peoples, confirming earlier skeletal/cranial studies and historical data.(Yurco (1989, 1996), Keita (1993,2004, 2005) Lovell (1999), Zakrewski (2003, 2007) et. al). Of note is that DNA data shows that one of the oldest Egyptian populations, the Copts, have a significant frequency of the B-M60 marker, indicating early colonization of Egypt by Nilotics in the state formation period."
"The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology."
" Northern Egypt shows more physical variation than the south, but not necessarily as part of any significant 'race' mix, but local, built-in variation. They were closer to southerners than any other peoples. In comparisons with "Middle Eastern" populations of the same ancient period, the Egyptians link more closely with other Africans than the Middle Easterners. Africans vary in how they look because they have the highest built-in molecular diversity to begin with. "
"In terms of head shape, the XVIV and XX dynasties look more like the early Nubian skulls from the mesolithic with low vaults and sloping, curved foreheads.The XVII and XVIII dynasty skulls are shaped more like modern Nubians with globular skulls and high vaults."
(An X-ray atlas of the royal mummies. Edited by J.E. Harris and E.F. Wente.(The University of Chicago Press, Chicago, 1980.) Review: Michael R. Zimmerman, American Journal of Physical Anthropology, Volume 56, Issue 2 ,(1981) Pages 207 - 208)
Encyclopedia Britannica 1984 ed. Macropedia Article, Vol 6: "Egyptian Religion" , pg 506-508
"A large number of gods go back to prehistoric times. The images of a cow and star goddess (Hathor), the falcon (Horus), and the human-shaped figures of the fertility god (Min) can be traced back to that period. Some rites, such as the "running of the Apil-bull," the "hoeing of the ground," and other fertility and hunting rites (e.g., the hippopotamus hunt) presumably date from early times.. Connections with the religions in southwest Asia cannot be traced with certainty."
"It is doubtful whether Osiris can be regarded as equal to Tammuz or Adonis, or whether Hathor is related to the "Great Mother." There are closer relations with northeast African religions. The numerous animal cults (especially bovine cults and panther gods) and details of ritual dresses (animal tails, masks, grass aprons, etc) probably are of African origin. The kinship in particular shows some African elements, such as the king as the head ritualist (i.e., medicine man), the limitations and renewal of the reign (jubilees, regicide), and the position of the king's mother (a matriarchal element). Some of them can be found among the Sudanese in Napata and Meroe, others among the Prenilotic tribes (Shilluk)."
(Encyclopedia Britannica 1984 ed. Macropedia Article, Vol 6: "Egyptian Religion" , pg 506-508)
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Post by nubaka on Apr 21, 2009 10:31:12 GMT -5
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"While not attempting to underestimate the contribution that Deltaic political and religious institutions made to those of a united Egypt, many Egyptologists now discount the idea that a united prehistoric kingdom of Lower Egypt ever existed."
"While communities such as Ma'adi appear to have played an important role in entrepots through which goods and ideas form south-west Asia filtered into the Nile Valley in later prehistoric times, the main cultural and political tradition that gave rise to the cultural pattern of Early Dynastic Egypt is to be found not in the north but in the south.":
The Cambridge History of Africa: Volume 1, From the Earliest Times to c. 500 BC,(Cambridge University Press: 1982), Edited by J. Desmond Clark pp. 500-509
"..the early cultures of Merimde, the Fayum, Badari Naqada I and II are essentially African and early African social customs and religious beliefs were the root and foundation of the ancient Egyptian way of life." (Source: Shaw, Thurston (1976) Changes in AfricanArchaeology in the Last Forty Years in African Studies since 1945. p. 156-68. London.)
Pottery evidence first seen in the Saharan Highlands then spreading to the Nile Valley (Flight 1973).
Art motifs of Saharan rock paintings showing similarities to those in pharaonic art. A number of scholars suggest that these earlier artistic styles influenced later pharaonic art via Saharans leaving drier areas and moving into the Nile Valley taking their art styles with them (Mori 1964, Blanc 1964, et al)
Earlier pioneering mummification outside Egypt. The oldest mummy in Africa is of a black Saharan child (Donadoni 1964, Blanc 1964) Frankfort (1956) suggests that it is thus possible to understand the pharaonic worldview by reference to the religious beliefs of these earlier African precursors. Attempts to suggest the root of such practices are due to Caucasoid civilizers from elsewhere are thus contradicted by the data on the ground.
Serological (blood) evidence of genetic linkages. Paoli 1972 for example found a significant resemblance between ABO frequencies of dynastic Egyptians and the black northern Haratin who are held to be the probable descendants of the original Saharans (Hiernaux, 1975).
Advanced state building and political unity in Nubia, including writing, administrative apparatus and insignia some 300 years before dynastic Egypt, and the long demonstrated interchange between Nubia and Egypt (Williams 1980)
Newer studies (Wendorf 2001, Wilkinson 1999, et al.) confirm these older analyses. Excavations from Nabta Playa, located about 100km west of Abu Simbel for example, suggest that the Neolithic inhabitants of the region were migrants from Sub-Saharan Africa, based on cultural similarities and social complexity which is thought to be reflective of Egypt's Old Kingdom
Other scholars (Wilkinson 1999) present similar material and cultural evidence- including similarities between predynastic Egypt and traditional African cattle-culture, typical of Southern Sudanese and East African pastoralists of today, and various cultural and artistic data such as iconography on rock art found in both Egypt and in the Sudan.
"a critical factor in the rise of social complexity and the subsequent emergence of the Egyptian state in Upper Egypt (Hoffman 1979; Hassan 1988). If so, Egypt owes a major debt to those early pastoral groups in the Sahara; they may have provided Egypt with many of those features that still distinguish it from its neighbors to the east."
Journal of Anthropological Archaeology 17, 97-123 (1998), "Nabta Playa and Its Role in Northeastern African Prehistory," Fred Wendorf and Romuald Schild.
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